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The BIG 30 is Here, talk about the rankings


The 2006 IHSFW.comBIG 30

I've been dying to put this up all summer. And after moving around a few teams in the last week, and making a last minute addition before the deadline, the 2006 preseason ranking for the state of Illinois are here. See who made the Preseason BIG 30 & who got left out.

Last year's preseason had 5 of the 8 teams that made it to the 5-8A state finals. Is your team listed this year?

To answer the Lemont question that was raised in an earlier post. It's not just Aaron Nagel on the team, who by the way is a beast on offense & defense, it's a o-line bringing back 4 guys who are all 6 foot plus & 200 plus. And Brett Nagel at TE who was 6'3 200 as a sophomore last year. There are numerous other players that will be back. as they had a very junior heavy team last year.

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I think that finally someone put Maine South where they belong. This year, they are not a top 10 team. Although I think New Trier isn't a top 30 team either. After watching them get shellacked by GBS in the playoffs last year, I don't forsee Fahler making that big of a difference.

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Hmmm... My Raiders are quite low at 29. Last year I felt of all the rankings in the state you all did the best job of capturing exactly how good they were. I think there are some schools above them that I simply cannot see them losing to (thanks for being the only one not to put LT above them).


 Now I realize why, they lost a ton of very good players last year. However, my question is this: Over the past 15 years or so has Bolingbrook shown that they "dont rebuild, they reload"?


and looking at that roster, they appear to be monsterous this year... last year not so much big but fast as lightning... this year, both.



-- Edited by Bones McKinzie at 01:21, 2006-08-24

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Bones, I love the Brook. I give them a higher vote sometimes than maybe I should. last year they had more talent at more places than a lot of teams did and I'm not really sure what happened last year, but they they were either just getting by or barley lossing to the good teams.

They just got by Naperville Central, who was a good team in a tough conference playing their hearts out for their retiring coach. Then there was Neuqua Valley, who should really bloom this season, but just lost last year and then their was teh 3 point loss to WWS, who went on to lose to one of the only two other teams to beat the Brook.

So the big question I had coming into this season is, was Bolingbrook playing tougher competition than I thought or were they just geeting by in the big games. And if that's the case how do I make a point to put them higher in the list.

Do I think they might be able to beat a couple of the teams in front of them? Yes. But are their a couple of teams that aren't ranked taht i think could beat them as well? Yes.

If teh Brook can go 3-0 right off the bat and win those games with at least a 14 point margin, They'll make the top 20 for sure.

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understandable. very understandable.


I can tell you with almost certainty that fumbles and INT's were the cause. I watched them (with all due respect to Maine South) beat up Maine South last year for 3 1/2 qts... pooched return on a punt return late in 4th to set up the loss.


Against LWE the game was VERY EVEN but the D played almost the entire 2nd half because we'd run for 7-10 yards and then put the ball on the lawn. The thing with TO's is it's hard to predict them. Do you predict that Martin will run for 60 yards and score or do you predict a 15 yard pick up and a fumble? etc.


but that's not excuse making. I guess my question is: are the 7 returning starters that LWC has that much better than the 4+ (they dont count the DB's returning in the 5 DB set that we usually ran as returning starters) starters Bolingbrook has back that were able to post a 33-3 win and actually hold a damn good team to nearly nothing all game. Also, what teams in the state WOULD NOT have lost to both LWE, Maine South, or WWS. Also would the 5A or 6A champ really come within 3 points of the 8A semi-finalist or the runner-up. It's kind of just the things that I personally think about when I consider rankings.


I really do respect the job that you all do and actually feel that your poll is generally the most accurate in the state.



-- Edited by Bones McKinzie at 07:13, 2006-08-25

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Thank you first for the endorsment as one of the most acurate rankings in the state.

Second, I still look at the state in a 6 class system. St. Rita went from playing in 6A to possibly 8A over two years, that move might not have happened had there been 6 classes. And while teams like Driscoll are in 4A, if they beat Alleman (5A runner up) in week 1 that sure means that they can play with the best 5A teams, even though they were in the 3A playoffs two years before. And if you think about all the 5A teams that can play up in 6A or 7A, how can you say a team like Driscoll couldn't beat some of the states top teams.

Don't get me wrong, I know that bigger schools have enough depth to actually suit up three 2A schools at least. Heck the sidelines for Lemont in the playoffs last year looked more like the sidelines for one of the Lincoln-Way schools. But I'm willing to bet that unless the 5A school falls apart, they should have a chance to beat a team ranked in 8A.

Alleman had the biggest o-line in the state finals last year. And if size matters their's your size.

Granted football is not baseball, but there are 8 classes so that more schools can make the playoffs, not because smaller schools were getting smacked around.

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From down south, it's curious that you placed Althoff higher than Cahokia. The AP has Cahokia #2 in 5A and Althoff at #10 in 5A. And the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reflects the view widely held down here that Cahokia is the team to beat. I'm curious to know your thinking.

(By the way, to support your earlier point, both Cahokia and Althoff play a season full of much larger schools, and usually have success with them during the regular season.)

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I certainly think certain smaller schools can sometimes compete with some of the top 8A's. However, their rosters are generally smaller (Lemont has 44 players/LWE has 90+). Smaller schools may even have big lines... Generally they'll take whatever big kid they have and start him (Lemont has 7 kids over 230+/Bolingbrook has 17). In the larger schools there is a bigger selection of the big kids which means they have more chances to suit up a big AND talented kid... then also practice against that type of size.


Next is two way players. The smaller the school the more likely they have 2-way players... that works against other smaller schools, but against GOOD two plattoon teams those 2 way players get worn out. I watched the Rock Island game, in the first Qt and half of the 2nd they were playing with a bigger and stronger BHS. Then as the game wore on those big, fresh players were just pounding them.


Not to mention, my original point wasnt that smaller schools couldnt play with the larger ones, rather that Morris & SHG wouldve lost to Maine South & Wheaton South.



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As with every season I think, especially since the addition of 8 classes, the parity in non-conference schedules will help shed some light on things come the end of the season.

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Glenbrook South is 15th in the Tribune and picked by the suntimes to win the csl south, but not even in the top 34 here? I;m confused

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19th in the Suntimes, 10th in the Trib, 10th in the AP polls. No where near the "Big" 30.

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The BIG 30 for week #3 will be out tomorrow. GS may be in there. We'll all see what's up, come week #6.

Until then, remember, we're are not the Trib, Sun Times, the Daily Herald or the AP. If we wanted to just cut and paste our rankings from another source we'd have just started a message board and not an entire web site.

Thanks,
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please dont compare shoddy unresearched work of Sako & the AP to people that actually do some investigation: Steve Tucker, IHSFW, edgy... its just not comparable.



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i hate sakamoto

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Geneseo wasn't in it for the first time, i think they should think about that again, they are just as good this year as any other.

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I have to say, I'm a little surprised that Mooseheart didn't make the top 10 in 1A rankings, with the way they've dismantled their opponents.  The 'Big 30' will probably have to wait a couple more weeks for some teams to hit 5-0 and garner more notice, and probably rightfully so.  Looks like from north to south, east to west, we've got some exciting HS football to track.

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